Humphrey POTTER

  General Notes:

Name from birth certificate of daughter Fanny Agnes

Birth certificate of Fanny Agnes gives mother's name as Elizabeth, late Watts, formerly Abell

Baptism at St Mary, Whitechapel - Page 54
15 June 1828, Humphry s of, Humphry - Ann, Potter, Mill Yd, Carman, born Dec 28 1823

There is another entry amongst several pages of handwritten entries on plain sheets that appear after the normal 1868 entries on preprinted forms. The entries all appear to be from about 1828, based on birth dates given, although ancestry.co.uk lists these as being 1868 (no year appears on these sheets of the register)
June 15th
28 Decr 1823, Humphry, Humphry & Ann Potter, Mill Yard, Carman
- date appears to be date of birth

Marriage - Jun 1850 Poplar Vol 2 P377 at Bow in St Mary Stratford, Bow church on 25 June 1850
Humphrey Potter, full age, Bachelor, Master Carman, Bow. Father Humphrey Potter, Deceased.
Elizabeth Watts, full age, Widow, - , Bow. Father Thomas Abel, Deceased
Witness James Harris and Sarah Nutter - don't appear to be family.
-church copy has same information

Death - 3 weeks before his previous wife remarried (so they just separated and built new lives)
Deaths Mar 1877 (5 Feb 1877) Potter Humphrey 52 Whitechapel 1c 262.
Death on 5 February 1877 at 30 Wageners Buildings, Whitechapel
Humphrey Potter, Male, 52, Carman. The informant was Jemima Costin present at the death, same address on 6 February 1877. (nb Note that the informant was called Costin, not Potter)
Originally thought that this wasn't the correct person as I had presumed that he had died before his previous wife set up home with William Marshall. But noticing the similarity of dates of Humphrey's death and Elizabeth's 4th marriage, together with the same occupation as for his marriage, the fact that this Humphrey hadn't actually married and also the lack of any other entries that fitted in any way - leads me to be fairly sure that this is the death of the correct Humphrey Potter.

There are many mysteries surrounding Jemima Carter and children
- Edward Costin's marriage in 1851 states that he married Mary Anne Carter, but the birth of his son, Edward, gives his wife's name as Jemima formerly Carter.
- Edward Costin's marriage in 1851 also it states that Edward's father was George Costin (deceased) - George Costin died in 1867!
- Edward died in 1858, yet Jemima continued to have children for another 10 years where she gave the name of the father as Edward Costin
- on one birth registration she gave her name as Costin late Carter formerly Watson
- Jemima was the informant of Edward Costin's death
- Jemima was a widow in 1861
- The last few children gave the name of the father as Humphrey Costin who was actually Humphrey Potter.
- In 1871 she was using the name Potter, but had not remarried.
- In 1881 she is again shown a s a widow, Jemima Potter
- Jemima Costin was the informant of the death of Humphrey Potter
- Jemima had a further child after Humphrey died, but there was no birth registration
- All the children except Edward Costin (son of Edward and Jemima) and Julia (son of Jemima, but born 2 years after Edward's death) married with the surname Potter

A further mystery is that the Potter's had an address of 30 Gowers Walk, but later children of Humphrey quoted an address of 30 Wageners Buildings (which is in Gowers Walk).

1841 census
HO107/716/14 F4 P1
Glass House Street, Whitechapel (St Mary)
Humphry Potter, 50, Carman, N
Humphry Potter jun, 15, Carman Ap, Y
Ann Potter, 40, Y
- Elizabeth Abell's parents and siblings are shown on the next page F5 P2
- Glasshouse Street is recorded as "Whites Yard or Glass House Street". In location of what is now John Fisher Street

1851 census (indexed as Patter)
HO107/1546 F322 P2
4 Wageners Buildings, Goodmans Field, Whitechapel (St Mary), Middlesex
Humphrey Potter, Head, Mar, 27, Carman, Whitechapel
Elizabeth do, Wife, Mar, 25, , Whitechapel
(ED 1l states Wageners Buildings, remaining west side of Gowers Walk ...)

1861 RG9/272 There are missing pages towards the end, and these cover Wageners Building!
Not found on the index on findmypast.com either (which also ends at the same point). PRO has confirmed that the last page available is F134 P30 (which has part of the Costin Family). The previous page is annotated "134 END". The description of ED7 gives counts for page numbers up to 36.
The last entry available contains the Costin family i.e. Humphrey Potter's new family

1871 census
RG10/523 F14 P28
30 Wageners Buildings, Whitechapel
Humphrey Potter, Head, Mar, 44, Carman, Middx Whitechapel
Jemima do, Wife, Mar, 34, Furrier, Surrey Godstone
Edward Costin, Stepson, Un, 17, Ivory Turner, Middx Stroud Vale
Julia Costin, Step Daur, , 10, Scholar, Middx Whitechapel
Eleanor Potter, Daur, , 7, Scholar, Middx Whitechapel
William do, Son, , 3, , Middx Whitechapel
Elizabeth do, Daur, , 1, , Middx Whitechapel
Jane Carter, Mother in Law, W, 56, , Surrey Godstone

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HUMPHRY POTTER
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 28 DEC 1823

Christening: 15 JUN 1828 St Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: HUMPHRY POTTER Family
Mother: ANN


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C025576 1823 - 1832 0094696 Film 6903657 Film

C025576 1832 - 1836 0094697 Film NONE
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Baptism from "Dockland Ancestors" on Findmypast.com
Day: 15
Month: June
Year: 1828
Forename: Humphry
Othernames:
Surname: Potter
Fathers forenames: Humphry
Fathers occupation: Carman
Mothers forenames: Ann
Birth date: 28/12/1823
Address: Mill Yd
Location of church: Whitechapel
Parish: St Mary
Church address: Whitechapel High Street
Entry No:
Source Ref: X024-094
Transcriber Note:
Original Note :

Is this Humphrey? - YES!!!! I have been in touch with the descendant (of son Humphrey Abell) who has the original "scroll" - also confirmed from the application form below
Admission to Freedom of City of London in 1848
Tuesday 5th day of December 1848, in the 12th year of the reign of Victoria
This day Mr Chamberlain having presented unto this court Humphrey Potter to be made of this city
It is ordered that the said Humphrey Potter be admitted into the freedom of this City by Redemption in the Company of Loriners paying unto Mr Chamberlain for this City's use the sum of Forty shillings and eight pence.
NB if this order is not executed in three months it will be void
Admitted and sworn to the freedom of above named Company by redemption
Ringed is the word "Carrier".
- does Carrier equate to Carman??
The Worshipful Company of Loriners (from Wikipedia)
The Worshipful Company of Loriners is one of the ancient Livery Companies of the City of London . The organisation was originally a trade association for makers of metal parts for bridles , harnesses , spurs and other horse apparel; hence the company's name, which comes from the Latin word lorum through the French word lormier.

Application to become a Freeman
30th day of Nov 1848
I, Humphrey Potter, (son of Humphrey Potter, late of Glasshouse St, St Mary Whitechapel Carman) occupying premises 19 Dukes Place Aldgate in the City of London and carrying on the business of a Carrier do hereby apply to be admitted to the Freedom of the City of London, by redemption, in pusuance of the resolution of the Court of Common Council of the 17th and 19th March, and 1st October 1835 in the Company of Loriners of London and I hereby declare that I am not an alien, nor the son of an alien, and that I am above the age of 21 years.
signed H Potter
witness Jno Sewell

The scroll given by the Corporation of the City of London is dated 7th December 1848 - presumably when he had paid the "Redemption" fee.

  Noted events in his life were:

• Occupation: Master Carman, 25 Jun 1850, Bow, Middlesex, England.

• Occupation: Carman, 30 May 1852, St George In The East, London, England.

• Occupation: Carman, 29 Apr 1859, Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England.

• Occupation: Carman, 5 Feb 1877, Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England.

• Occupation: Master Carman. At marriage of Fanny (19 Jan 1879) described as master carman (deceased)

Humphrey married Elizabeth ABELL, daughter of Thomas William ABELL and Elizabeth GREEN, on 25 Jun 1850 in Bow, Middlesex, England.¹ (Elizabeth ABELL was born on 14 Jul 1825 in Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England, baptised on 31 Jul 1825 in Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England and died after 1881.)

Humphrey next had a relationship with Jemima CARTER, daughter of James CARTER and Jane WATSON. (Jemima CARTER was born circa 1834 in Godstone, Surrey, England, baptised on 28 Sep 1834 in Caterham, Surrey, England, died on 13 Dec 1908 in Mile End, London, England ² and was buried in East London Cemetery, London, England.)