Humphrey Abell "Archie" POTTER

   Other names for Archie were Alfred POTTER and Humphrey Alfred POTTER.

  General Notes:

Birth index
POTTER, HUMPHREY ABELL mother ABELL
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST) Volume 01C Page 391

Born on 30 May 1852 at 2 George Yard, New Road, Saint Mary's sub district of Saint George in the East
Humphrey Abell, Boy, Humphrey Potter, Elizabeth Potter late Watts previously Loader formerly Abell, Carman. Informant was E Potter, mother of 2 George Yard, New Road, St George, Middx on 28 June 1852.

Baptism at St George in the East
on Page 190, Entry 1517
12 December 1852, Humphrey Abel, Humphrey & Elizabeth, Potter, 2 George Yard, Carman, born May 31 1852
- note the difference in date of birth from the birth certificate

There is an IGI entry, in the same batch as the entry below, giving Humphrey Abell Potter as the father of Frances Emily Maud Potter. However, she is found in 1881 (aged 3) living with Jemima Costin, who was Humphrey Abell Potter's stepmother. Frances is described as Jemima's daughter - so something is amiss!! - but this information corresponds with the marriage certificate of Frances Maud Emily Potter. He wasn't her mother, it was just that people referred to Humphrey Potter as Humphrey Abell/Alfred Potter.

There was no obvious sign of Humphrey Abell POTTER on any census. Unfortunately the 1861 census is unavailable at the likely point where the family would be. I have found Jemima Costin, her mother and two others. But there the file of images ends (but the household hasn't!) There is at least one more child of Jemima and then probably the Potter family would appear on the next page. PRO has confirmed that the remaining 6 pages do not exist now.

There is an Alfred Potter of the right age who married Rachel Peers and when one of their children was born his name was given as Humphrey Alfred Potter. It seemed almost certain that this is the correct person. Now I have the necessary evidence via the City of London scroll for Humphrey Potter handed down from Humphrey Alfred Potter to the current generation.

This entry had limited value, but was correct (I believe it was based on the marriage of Frances Maud Emily Potter who stated that she was 20, ie born 1878, and her father was Humphrey Abel Potter - in 1898)
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HUMPHREY ABEL POTTER
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Birth: 1852 Of, , London, England
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Family group record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record includes some persons who were alive and some who were deceased at the time of submission. The film cannot be sent to family history centers and has limited access at the Family History Library.

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Batch Number: 0960370
Sheet: 00
Source Call No.: 1438884 Type: Film
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There was NO marriage in 1877 - this must just be an assumption based on the birth year of Frances Maud Emily Potter and relying on the information on her marriage certificate.
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Marriage: 1877 , London, England
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Family group record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record includes some persons who were alive and some who were deceased at the time of submission. The film cannot be sent to family history centers and has limited access at the Family History Library.

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Batch Number: 0960370
Sheet: 00
Source Call No.: 1438884 Type: Film
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THE REST OF THIS ENTRY RELATES TO THE PROBABILITY THAT HUMPHREY ALFRED POTTER IS ACTUALLY HUMPHREY ABELL POTTER.

It has now been demonstrated that this assumption is true.

- There is no registered birth of a Humphrey Alfred Potter in the 1850s.
- There is no marriage or death of Humphrey Abel Potter
- All other London Humphrey Potter entries appear to have been accounted for
- The father of Humphrey Alfred Potter was, according to marriage certificate, Humphrey Alfred Potter - a Carman. Although he says his father is deceased (he actually died 5 yrs later), this is quite a close match. As his father had "gone off" with Jemima Potter, then he might have thought his father had died.
- Frances Maud Emily named her father as Humphrey Abell Potter at marriage, and this person stated his father was Humphrey Alfred Potter. Is this close enough to suggest they are the same person?
- Humphrey Alfred was 84 when he died in 1937, exactly the right age for Humphrey Abel Potter
- There are no unconnected entries on the IGI
- in 1871 there is an Alfred Marshall (20) with Elizabeth, who was the mother of Humphrey Abell Potter

Using the logic of "where did Humphrey Abell Potter go", and "where did Humphrey Alfred Potter come from", leads to a high probability that they are one and the same person.
Now we know that Humphrey Alfred Potter's great grandson has a City of London scroll relating to Humphrey Potter, then all doubt has gone.

Marriages Sep 1872 Mile End 1c 1054
Peers Rachel Jane
Potter Humphrey Alfred
Smart Jane
Thorley James Salmon

Marriage Certificate
At St Thomas Church in the Parish of Stepney in the County of Middlesex on 22nd July 1872 by Banns
Humphrey Alfred Potter, of full age, Bachelor, Carman, Stepney. Father Humphrey Alfred Potter (deceased), Carman
Rachel Jane Peers, Minor with Consent, Spinster, - , Stepney. Father George Peers (deceased), Mariner
Witnesses were Henry Alfred Ward and Anne Soanes
- all 4 signed their names
- father Humphrey Potter was still alive

Marriages Sep 1906 St Olave 1d 408
Potter Humphrey Alfred
CHISHOLM Margaret
Heath James
HUNT Jane

Marriage Certificate
25th August 1906 at St Luke's Church in the Parish of Bermondsey in the County of London - after Banns
Humphrey Alfred Potter, 53, Widower, Warehouseman, 86 Alscot Road. Father Humphrey Alfred Potter (deceased), Master Carman
Jane Hunt, 41, Widow, - , 86 Alscot Road. Father William Hockley (deceased), Tanner
The witnesses were William Brown and Elizabeth Brown

Death Jun 1937
Bermondsey 1d 76 Potter Humphrey A, aged 84

Death Certificate
died on Twenty sixth May 1937 at 30 Abbey Buildings (Bermondsey sub district of Bemondsey district)
Humphrey Alfred Potter, Male, 84 years, Retired Provisions warehouseman.
Registered by Jane Potter, widow of deceased present at death, 30 Abbey Buildings SE1, on 27 May 1937

1871 Census entry - this means that it was Elizabeth who married again to William Marshall - at least one of the children (Fanny) should be called Potter
RG10/559 F105 P27 & P28
25 Wellesley Street? Mile End Old Town
William Marshall, Head, Mar, 31, Police Constable, Aldgate London
Elizabeth Marshall, Wife, Mar, 40, No occupation, Middlesex Whitechapel
Fanny Marshall, Daur, Single, 12, Scholar, Middlesex Whitechapel
Grace Marshall, Daur, Single, 6, Scholar, Middlesex Stepney
Walter Marshall, Son, Single, 2, Scholar, Middlesex Stepney
Edward Marshall, Brother, Single, 20, Carman, Middlesex Stepney
Alfred Marshall, Brother, Single, 20, Coachman, Middlesex Whitechapel
Thomas Bird, Lodger, Married, 58, Labourer, Middlesex St George East
Jane Bird, Wife, Married, 55, No Occupation, Middlesex Limehouse
-there is a birth Mar 1851 Marshall Edward Stepney 2 594
- no obvious birth for Alfred Marshall. I think this must be Humphrey Abell Potter, who used the name Alfred in later years

1881 census
Alfred POTTER Head M Male 28 Middlesex, England Police Constable
Rachel POTTER Wife M Female 27 Stepney, Middlesex, England
Alfred E. POTTER Son U Male 7 Stepney, Middlesex, England Scholar
William W. POTTER Son U Male 4 Paddington, Middlesex, England Scholar
Arthur E. POTTER Son U Male 2 Paddington, Middlesex, England
Joseph A POTTER Son U Male 1 Hornsey, Middlesex, England
Source Information:
Dwelling Maddams Cottages George Lane
Census PlaceWanstead, Essex, England
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1728 / 84
Page Number 20

1891 census
RG12/374 F85 P33
43 Flockton Street, Bermondsey, London
Alfred Potter, Head, M, 38, Warehouseman, London
Rachael do, Wife, M, 37, , London Stepney
Alfred do, Son, S, 17, Porter, London Stepney
William do, Son, S, 14, Porter. London Paddington
Arthur do, Son, , 12, , London Paddington
Joseph do, Son, , 11, , London Stepney
Ada do, Daur, , 9, Scholar, London Hornsey
Frank do, Son, , 1, , London Bermondsey
George do, Son, , 5 days, , London Bermondsey

1901 census
RG13/1632 F142 P28
48 Hawarden Road, Walthamstow, Essex
Alfred Potter, Head, M, 48, Wharf Labourer, London Stepney
Rachel do, Wife, M, 46, , London Stepney
Frank do, Son, , 11, , London Bermondsey
George do, Son, , 10, , London Bermondsey

This family had two definite children who died
Births
Humphrey Augustus Potter - Sep 1875 Mile End 1c 495
Humphrey Alfred Potter - Jun 1898 Mile End 1c 473
(confirmed parents were Rachel Jane Peers and Humphrey Alfred - or just Alfred - Potter)
Deaths
Potter Humphrey Augustus 0 - Mar 1876 Kensington 1a 28
Potter Humphrey Alfred 0 - Sep 1898 Mile End 1c 367

1911 census
RG14PN1878 RG78PN67 RD24 SD2 ED11 SN9
7 Abbey Buildings, Bermondsey, London (4 rooms) - 4 blocks of flats (128 in total)
Alfred Potter, Head, 58, Married, Provision Warehouse Man, London Bermondsey
Jane Potter, Wife, 45, Married 4 years, , London Bermondsey
Florence Hunt, Step Daughter, 19, Single, Numerical Printer, London Bermondsey
Arthur Hunt, Step Son, 17, Single, Chemical Laboratory Assistant (Medical School), London Lambeth
Frederick Hunt, Step Son, 13, , School, London Bermondsey
Amelia Peeke, Niece, 9, , School, London Bermondsey (indexed as Pecko)
- no children had been born in the marriage
- This is presumably Amelia's birth
Births Mar 1902
Peeke Amelia Grace St. Olave 1d 221

Archie married Rachel Jane PEERS, daughter of Unknown and Eliza PEERS, on 22 Jul 1872 in Stepney, London, England. (Rachel Jane PEERS was born on 25 Dec 1853 in Stepney, London, England and died Dec Q 1905 in West Ham, Essex, England.)

Archie next married Jane HOCKLEY, daughter of William HOCKLEY and Mary PHILLIPS, on 25 Aug 1906 in Bermondsey, London, England. (Jane HOCKLEY was born Mar Q 1866 in Bermondsey, London, England.)